The government has slowly been confirming that UFOs are real. And most people are just… going about their day.
That's the part that keeps getting me. UFO disclosure is arguably the biggest story in human history — the confirmation that we are not alone, that technology has been suppressed for 80 years, that everything we thought we knew about energy, reality, and what's out there is wrong — and people are still mostly focused on what to make for dinner.
I don't say that to be snarky. I get it. The world is already overwhelming. But I've been going down this rabbit hole long enough to know that once you actually understand what disclosure means, not just “aliens are real” but what it means for consciousness, for spirituality, for the nature of reality itself, you can't unfeel it.
That's what this conversation with Joshua Golembeske is about. And it went way deeper than I expected.
What You'll Learn in This Episode
The thing Joshua kept coming back to is that UFO disclosure isn't really about craft and bodies in a government warehouse. It's about what happens to human consciousness when it gets close to these beings. Military veterans, Green Berets, Marines — people who would be the last to describe themselves as spiritual — are coming out of contact experiences talking about oneness, compassion, mission, love. Something is rewiring them. Fast.
Joshua also gets into the interdimensional side of this, which is honestly where my own thinking has landed too. The idea that these beings aren't necessarily traveling from another planet but from another frequency, another layer of reality we don't have instruments to measure yet. If you can only see a sliver of the light spectrum and only hear a fraction of the sound spectrum, and you still have the audacity to say “this is all that exists” — that's not science. That's limitation masquerading as certainty.
And then there's the piece about contact being participatory. You can actually put yourself in a state that makes it more possible. That part I found genuinely useful and grounding, especially in a topic that can feel very out of your hands.
Why UFO Disclosure Matters Right Now
I've watched more people wake up in the last month than in the last four years. Some of it is the Epstein files cracking open minds that previously laughed at me for the things I was saying six years ago. And I'll be honest, I find that both vindicating and a little exhausting.
But something real is shifting. UFO disclosure is picking up speed in ways that feel different from previous moments. Whistleblowers with serious credentials are coming forward. Congress is asking questions on record. The conversation is no longer fringe.
What worries me is how this gets framed when it goes fully mainstream. Because I've never seen the mainstream media give us good news. The fear porn version of disclosure — “they're a threat, we need to weaponize space, give us more money” — is already being seeded. Joshua talks about this directly, including a deathbed account from a German rocket scientist about the exact playbook being used to control the narrative.
The antidote to that isn't burying your head. It's getting informed now, before the panic sets in, so you can actually help be a stabilizing presence for the people around you who are going to freak out when this breaks wide open.
About Joshua Golembeske
Joshua Golembeske is the head of production at Gaia and co-host of Cosmic Disclosure, where he's spent years interviewing military experiencers, government whistleblowers, and contact witnesses. He's not coming at this from a place of abstract fascination — he comes from a generational contactee family, which means this topic is deeply personal for him. He investigates cases for MUFON and has made it his mission to reduce the stigma around contact experiences, particularly for people who've had them and had nowhere safe to talk about it.
What I appreciate about Joshua is that he leads with love, not fear, and he's clear about what the evidence actually shows versus what the fear-based narrative wants us to believe.
Key Insights From Joshua Golembeske
Contact Is One of the Fastest Paths to Enlightenment
Dr. John Mack, who was the head of psychiatry at Harvard until his death in the early 2000s, spent years studying people who'd had repeated contact experiences. What he found was that this kind of contact consistently produced rapid, lasting transformation — more compassion, more purpose, deeper spiritual awareness, less attachment to ego and status. Joshua has seen this pattern over and over in the people he interviews. The contact isn't incidental to the awakening. It seems like the point.
The Fear Comes First. The Love Comes After.
Most people who remember their contact experiences lead with fear. The most intense memory surfaces first — and for a lot of people, that's disorienting or even traumatic. But Joshua (drawing on John Mack's research and his own work with experiencers) says that when people go deeper, past that first layer of memory, what they find is almost always love. Connection. A sense of being known across lifetimes. The fear isn't the whole story. It's just the first chapter.
These Beings Won't Contact You If You're Vibrating at Fear
This is the part that made me sit with it for a while. Joshua explains that contact seems to happen in states of love, openness, and meditative stillness — not when you're anxious, angry, or operating from fear. Which tells you something about the nature of these beings. If they only show up when you're in a high-frequency state, and the contact itself produces more love, more oneness, more expansion… that's not a dark agenda. That's not how a hostile intelligence operates.
Your Contact Experience Might Already Be Running in Your Family
Joshua comes from what he now understands to be a generational contactee family. Strange events in the farmhouse growing up, an aunt with undeniable psychic gifts, UFO sightings across multiple generations. He didn't connect the dots until much later. The research suggests these experiences do run in families, and that a lot of people walking around with unexplained psychic sensitivity or “paranormal” experiences in their history might be sitting closer to this than they realize.
Integration Is What Actually Matters
John Mack's work kept pointing to one thing: the contact experience itself isn't where the transformation lives. It's what you do with it afterward. Joshua talks about watching people change their art, change their careers, change how they show up in relationships. Skits, the experiencer he mentions who shifted from gangster rap to conscious rap — that's integration. The experience cracks something open. You decide what grows in that space.
The Uncomfortable Truth About UFO Disclosure
The mainstream narrative, when it comes, is probably not going to lead with consciousness and love and the nature of reality. It's going to lead with threat assessment, military readiness, and fear.
That's not an accident. Joshua explains that there are real financial incentives for weaponizing the disclosure narrative — more defense spending, more control, more distraction. And a scared public doesn't ask good questions.
I've been deconstructing fear-based narratives my whole life, from the religious ones I grew up with to the wellness industry ones that followed. This is just the next layer. The question isn't whether disclosure is real. The question is who gets to frame it and what they want you to feel when they do.
The evidence, according to people who've actually been close to these beings, consistently points in one direction. Not threat. Not invasion. Something closer to what we'd call, if we saw it in a human context, care.
Quotes That Hit Different
“Contact with ETs is one of the fastest ways to enlightenment. People who have regular contact change everything about their life.” — 2:00
This is a Harvard psychiatrist's conclusion after years of clinical research. It's not fringe. It's just uncomfortable for people who haven't heard it before.
“If you're in a loving, peaceful state, that's when contact happens. They literally won't talk to you if you're angry or full of fear.” — 44:00
I keep thinking about what this implies. If the only frequency they'll meet you at is love, what does that tell you about them?
“Most people just remember the most terrifying thing first. Once you get through that, you start to realize there's so much more going on.” — 28:00
This is true of almost every awakening process. The first layer is almost always the hardest one to sit with.
How to Apply This in Your Life
Joshua's actual recommendation for people who feel pulled toward this but haven't had a direct experience is simple: start with a meditation practice. Not to make contact, necessarily, but to get yourself into a stable enough frequency that you can hold the information without destabilizing.
Because this information can destabilize you. I've gone through ontological shock multiple times — that moment where your whole model of reality has to be rebuilt from scratch — and each time there's a grieving process. You're letting go of certainty. That takes something.
If you want to go deeper on the contact side specifically, Joshua recommends looking into CE5 protocols — the consciousness-based approach to connecting with non-human intelligence developed by Dr. Steven Greer and practiced by groups all over the world. There's also a documentary called The Age of Disclosure that he calls a solid starting point for the nuts-and-bolts side of things before you get into the consciousness and transformation piece.
And honestly? Start paying attention to your own family history. Strange experiences, unexplained intuitions, psychic gifts that nobody talked about. Joshua's story made me realize how much goes unexamined when we don't have a framework for it.
In episode 425, I talked with Julia Cannon (Dolores Cannon's daughter) about the Convoluted Universe and how consciousness moves through lifetimes. If this conversation resonated with you, that one will take it even further.
Resources and Links From This Episode
- Joshua Golembeske on Instagram: @UFOElder — he posts constantly and it's all signal, no noise
- Gaia: gaia.com — Joshua co-hosts Cosmic Disclosure there; it's where I put on content while I'm getting ready in the morning
- The Age of Disclosure — documentary mentioned by Joshua, good entry point for the whistleblower/nuts-and-bolts side
- Dr. John Mack's work — his books Abduction and Passport to the Cosmos are the research foundation for a lot of what Joshua discusses
- Episode 425: Julia Cannon on the Convoluted Universe — mindlove.com/425
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